Down the U-Tube (Part 8)
I'm not interested in religion. No, really I'm not. Used to be, but not now. But being uninterested in religion is like being uninterested in sex - it's everywhere, you can't avoid it, it's all the same stuff really, and whenever someone's being really silly, it's usually a cause.
707clique: We don't want our kids being taught that Gay marriage is ok, or that abortion and violence, rape, and drugs are ok. We want them to grow up to be good Christian people.
Kapitano: What exactly do 'good christian people' want of gay people? Their silence? Their invisibility? Their extermination? Maybe their submissive acceptance that god despises them and? will send them to eternal torment?
707clique: Good Christian people want gay people to be saved. God doesn't despise the gay person, but he does despise the gay acts, and the waving of rainbow flags, and protesting that gay acts should be legal. So in other words, what good Christian people want is their submissive acceptance that they've sinned against God, and God will send them to eternal torment. BUT God is Rich in mercy and sent his son Jesus Christ to die for that sin.
Kapitano: Saved? As in "turned into self-hating gay christians" or as in "turned into gay hating heterosexual christians"?
Submissive acceptance? You want them broken, defeated, spiritless, dependent, pathetic. And you want them to value that prospect and that state.
God will send them to eternal torment? You do realise you're worshipping something evil?
707clique: And to be saved from eternal torment, they need to repent, meaning turn their life around, stay away from the gay stuff, as well as all the other things that come with some aspects of gay culture (Drugs, pornography, pride, etc.) and put their faith in Jesus Christ. Which is actually what all of us need to do at some point or another in our lives, whether we are gay or not.
Kapitano: What exactly are gay people supposed to get out of this deal? They stop being what they are, deny its pleasures, get turned into vacuous prosetelysing zombies...in return for an invisible man in the sky, just maybe, not torturing them forever.
That's called a "protection racket". Which makes your God and Father...The Godfather.
707clique: Have you accepted Christ as your Lord and Savior, Kapitano?
Kapitano: It's an interesting argument: "If you don't believe in hell, you'll go to hell. And if you do you probably will too."
It's like trying to hold up a bank saying "I'm pointing an invisible gun at you, and I might pull the trigger anyway, but if you say there's no gun, I'll definitely do it. But only some point in the distant future."
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Umm, you didn't answer his/her question: 707clique: Have you accepted Christ as your Lord and Savior, Kapitano?
ReplyDeleteBecuase if you have all will be well with the world ... and if you haven't then it's getting jolly close to 2012. ;)
What's a 707 clique anyway? Maybe they worship the late great Boeing 707 transcontinental jet.
I've recently been in the company of missionaries--and have had some success in corrupting them ;)
ReplyDeleteSeriously, though, I've learned that people who try too hard to change other people's religious (or non religious) beliefs are often the ones who need to examine their own faith and actions. True believers don't need others to validate their beliefs.
And I find it hilarious and hypocritical of so called Christians to claim to be acting in Christian ways when they forget the core of Jesus's teachings: to love thy neighbor and treat others the way we would want to be treated.
@Camy: you didn't answer his/her question
ReplyDeleteI've a feeling I did. Kind of...implicitly.
if you haven't then it's getting jolly close to 2012. ;)
Ah, but there's two things to know about the end of the world in 2012.
(1) It's in the mayan calender, not the christian one, and
(2) the mayan calender doesn't end in 2021 - it just goes back to the beginning.
What's a 707 clique anyway?
Big believers in cyclic time, were the mayans.
I like to think it's a small band of loyal users of the TR707 drum machine, the one everyone forgets. The TR808 was the sound of 80s hiphop, the TR909 was the sound of 90s house, but the TR707...with a latin percussion version also available...not so much.
@Eroswings: I've recently been in the company of missionaries--and have had some success in corrupting them ;)
You naughty, naughty man. There's something about someone desperate for everyone else to share their beliefs that just invites toppling. Maybe the obvious fact that they're trying to convince themselves.
the core of Jesus's teachings: to love thy neighbor and treat others the way we would want to be treated.
It's quite a good philosophy. Just not useful for...well, politics.
Buddhist philosophy isn't so far away, but do you suppose Chinese politics are any more peaceful? Don't think so, somehow.